Monday, March 10, 2008

New Sins From The Vatican

Reuters is reporting that Vatican has unveiled a list of new sins for Catholics to begin feeling guilty about as quickly as possible. Among them are genetic manipulation, pollution, drug trafficking, and downloading copies of other people's video game saves off of GameFaqs so as to play Sonic the Hedgehog in Smash Bros. Brawl without unlocking him yourself. Well, the last one is an exaggeration, but the day is coming.

As usual, religious authorities are quick to say self-evident things (i.e. "destroying the planet might be bad") and then claim that they are forging ahead into new moral territory. Luckily they just as quickly shoot themselves in the foot by bemoaning such things as medical research.

The Vatican keeps talking, but how many people are still listening...?


Garret G said...

Hi Skippy! How are you man!? Yeah, well as a Christian, I would say they are not inventing new self evident moral proclamations, just clarifing for the commoners what Christians are "supposed to think". I always take the information myself and judge it on what I know to be true as "self-evident", determine if a position is biblically aligned, and through public discourse/reasoning. I agree that the Vatican tends to make itself an embarrasing circus of contradictions, not only amoungst their own encyclicals and retractions of previous papal statements, but what we know to be writings of the apostles themselves! Pick a position and stay there!
P>S> I wonder if Rays Klimpt diatribe was meant to go against Klimpt's lifestyle, not artwork, if so, it went kerplunk! SPLAT! kerplunk! I have always admired Klimpt, seeing them in person is stunning. Then again, I very much admire women in general, VERY much likey! Too much likey! Sinful thought invasion....abort! abort! abort! LOL God built them real good, didn't He? Oh yeah, sorry, they evolved up real good, didn't they?

Skippy the Skeptic said...

Hey brother.

In a lot of ways the Catholic church is stuck in the uncomfortable position of trying to address issues pertinent to modernity while clinging to the language and power structures of antiquity. It would make for a humorous situation if so many people weren't caught up in it.

If Ray meant for his Klimt post to be about his lifestyle rather than his paintings, I would think that his kicker wouldn't have been an explicit jab at his paintings. I rather suspect that he just didn't do his research well on this one.

Garret G said...

Found the "out campaign" through your blog. I like the irony of this statement
"Atheists along with millions of others are tired of being bullied by those who would force their own religious agenda down the throats of our children and our respective governments."

Achieving this by jamming atheism down our throats. Apparently, "throat jamming" is not wrong in and of itself, otherwise it wouldn't be done by atheists through a campaign such as this. Glad this is America then, and for now we are able to be religious and to voice our opinions on this, just as you are with atheism. I hope and assume you value that option as well.

"Let the world know that we are not about to go away and that we are not going to allow those that would condemn us to push us into the shadows."

I'm not one to do that myself, all the power to you then. I believe this is within God's will at this point in history!

"We are good people who have no need to cling to the supernatural."

Me too, but if the supernatural is actually real, it clings to you! LOL- that is to say it would need no ones acknowledgement to exist, it either does, or it does not.

I believe as I said on Rays that many people are effectively atheist's anyway, by acting as though God is irrelevant to anything. Anyway, I have no superstitious fear of this campaign, it will be very successful is what I do fear.

1.The claim to intellectual superiority because of rejection of supernatural claims such as miracles. This is an entirely metaphysical, philosophical construct, a BELIEF that is based on a "lack of evidence", and is a representation of what exactly constitutes knowledge, and how we come to know things.
This is not the only possible legitimate metaphysical reality, though it is presented as such. As an educated person, I realize that I COULD be deluded - that in fact (atheists) might have it right. This should always be an option on the table, for civility to remain. The claim to all logic, reason and knowledge fall within multiple worldviews and philosophies, and is a debatable reality. To not acknowledge this is intellectual snobbery, and intellectual suicide. One can claim that they are right, but to add that they are intellectually superior is another thing altogether.

2. The claim that Christianity is illogical. It is perfectly logical IF the claims of supernatural in it are true, then Christianity logically follows from it! It is logical within itself and its own metaphysic, as it were. Even if one were to disagree- if you understand it properly and are able to understand the metaphysical concept that undergirds it, then you can see its logic.

LOVE and Peace to Skippy, keeper of the skeptical blogspace.

Garret G said...

Hi Skippy,
check out a comedy series I worked on, esp. the episode with Victoria Jackson from SNL. Hopefully we can get it picked up as a tv series.

I am in the very last episode, the guy operating the lift taking Jesus into heaven with "the bride".